Jeremy Glaser: For Morningstar, I'm Jeremy Glaser. Detroit's on the brink of bankruptcy, but what does that mean for the broader municipal market? I'm here with Beth Foos, a municipal credit analyst here at Morningstar, to take a look at some of these questions.
Beth, thanks for joining me today.
Beth Foos: Thanks for having me.
Glaser: So, let's take a quick look back at Detroit's fiscal picture and how they kind of got up to this brink. What's happened recently there?
Foos: Well, it's well-known after decades of budget deficits and an eroding tax base and economy and basic mismanagement, the State of Michigan appointed an emergency manager, Kevyn Orr, back in March of this year to basically take over the majority of the operating and financial functions of the city. So, Orr came in and did his own financial and operational review of the city and called the city insolvent and said it couldn't possibly pay its nearly $19 billion worth of liabilities.
So, a couple weeks ago he called all the city's major creditors back to the negotiating table and unveiled a sweeping and pretty controversial plan to restructure all of that debt. And on the same day, on June 14 of this year, the city missed a nearly $40 million payment on some pension-obligation certificates.
Glaser: So, what are some of the broad strokes of that restructuring? Anything surprising there?
Foos: There was, and I think the key point to note is how Orr treated, what he called, secured debt and unsecured debt. And the unsecured portion is really something to watch. That's $11.4 billion worth of general-obligation unlimited tax debt, limited tax bonds, pension-obligation certificates, unfunded pension liabilities, and retiree health care, and what he's proposing is to exchange all of that for $2 billion worth of notes.
So, with that treatment, he's treating what is generally considered some of the most secured debt in the state, if not the muni market, that general-obligation unlimited tax pledge, which is voter-approved, and a dedicated property tax levy, on par with what's considered much lesser secured debt, those unfunded pension liabilities, those retiree health-care liabilities.Read Full Transcript
Glaser: Now, is this restructuring going to go through? Is this just kind of a first offering, and then potentially those bonds would be treated more senior? Or do you think that this is really going to set a new precedent for how some of these bonds are handled?
Foos: Well, that's a good point. This is probably the opening act in what could be a very long negotiation between investors and pension boards and the city. So, we're not quite sure. The negotiations will continue for the next couple of weeks at which point the emergency manager has said that they will decide whether or not to file for Chapter 9.
Glaser: So if they do file and they do treat these bonds a little bit differently than maybe many investors have been expecting, what are the broader implications then for the muni market? Does it mean that it's time to kind of rethink your entire position there?
Foos: I don't think it's necessarily paramount that folks rethink their entire muni position, but I do think there are some fundamental questions that will be involved here that will probably get answered in time and probably through the courts.
One of those things is really in fiscal stress when the investors need to rely on that legal security the most for repayment, how strong is that general-obligation unlimited tax pledge? Has that question or that obligation of obligors of those muni issuers lost its paramount importance in that process? Where is the priority in terms of payment? Is it with retirees or is it with investors? And traditionally that's been with investors in times of fiscal stress.
And then you've also got the question that I think will be very applicable to some more stressed folks around the country is how much of that unfunded pension liability can be protected by the state constitution in times of fiscal stress or times of bankruptcy. I think those are going to be questions that are really applicable to the broader muni market moving forward.
Glaser: So even if you don't own any Detroit bonds, it sounds like if you have some other potentially stressed situations, this is going to be a case that you are going to need to keep a close eye on?
Foos: Absolutely. I think it highlights the need to really do your due diligence in terms of your credit analysis, understanding what those obligations are and understanding how stressed or how close to the brink your particular municipality is. And moving forward I think a lot of these questions will help answer how those obligations get treated.
Glaser: Beth, thanks for joining me today. We're looking forward to future updates.
Foos: Absolutely. Thanks for having me.
Glaser: For Morningstar, I'm Jeremy Glaser.