After grinding away at the mother of all bond firms, two high-yield bond managers find solace in running a tiny fund at a tiny shop.
Ray Kennedy and Mark Hudoff are a couple of happy guys. It's certainly not because they're sitting atop an empire. They're running a little more than $100 million at a small firm that boasts a modest $15.7 billion under management and has the distinction of having undergone two changes of ownership in the past 10 years.
Their lives appear to be more fulfilling than they had been for a while, though. Things went well enough when they started at PIMCO. They were hired and mentored by Ben Trosky to hunt for high-yield bond issuers with hard assets, cash flows, and compelling credit profiles. Kennedy and Hudoff worked together at PIMCO for about 10 years, five as analysts under Trosky, who built a great record and reputation running PIMCO High Yield
Neither Kennedy nor Hudoff have anything bad to say about PIMCO, and they remain big fans of their colleagues who remain at the firm. And the pair sound almost wistful when describing their analyst days under Trosky. Yet it's clear that a toll was taken on Kennedy by the time he left in 2007 and that the place no longer suited Hudoff when he departed in 2009. Each reigned atop an enormous pool of high-yield bond assets during his managerial tenure, and the challenges were huge. The fund's relatively conservative strategy meant that they favored better-capitalized issuers and large liquid bonds. But even so, the fund's size meant that there were times when it was difficult to get as much exposure to a particular credit or sector as either would have liked. And straying from that sweet spot in search of other opportunities wasn't worthwhile with such a large asset base. Their records at PIMCO High Yield argue that they were successful managers, but Kennedy and Hudoff both say that it became more difficult to add value with their efforts, particularly as PIMCO began to put the same macro themes across all of its portfolios regardless of mandate. An evolution of the firm's culture also brought more intensity to the job than either of them wanted, and by the time Hudoff left, PIMCO had become the full-blown pressure cooker that it is today.
A Fresh Start
After some time off, Kennedy started at Hotchkis and Wiley in late 2008. Hudoff followed in mid-2009, just a few months after Kennedy launched Hotchkis & Wiley High Yield
Kennedy and Hudoff talk about going to Hotchkis and Wiley as a dramatic, welcome return to their credit-analyst roots. Kennedy, in particular, talks about burying his head in company research as if it's a calling from which he inadvertently strayed. Starting fresh, with a small asset base, will afford some strategic freedom, as well. Hudoff notes that he and Kennedy prefer the undervalued bonds of hard asset borrowers over the leveraged-buyout debt that dominates much of the high-yield market, and the two believe that working with Hotchkis' large equity staff will help those efforts. As a result, they expect the fund to have broader credit exposure, inclusive of smaller firms with public equity, than PIMCO High Yield has offered. That's going to mean a much wider variety of names, given that they peg roughly 55% of the high-yield market as comprising bond issues with less than $500 million in outstanding issuance. And this fund likely will not be as heavily dominated by BB rated debt (the highest tier below so-called investment-grade debt) as was the pair's PIMCO charge. It will have more assets in the B (and perhaps CCC) rating strata that make up the bulk of the high-yield universe.
There Is Work to Do
Kennedy and Hudoff do have challenges. They have two dedicated analysts and may hire a product specialist and trader. But for now, the goal is to leverage the breadth and skill of Hotchkis and Wiley's 22 equity analysts to round out coverage of their portfolio. That group comes with its own pedigree. Vanguard's Portfolio Review Group uses Hotchkis and Wiley to manage a $2 billion slice of Vanguard Windsor II
Still, bond and stock managers look for very different things in companies. Kennedy found it necessary to give the analysts tutorials on subjects like evaluating bond covenants and capital structures. And Hotchkis has stipulated that it wants new analysts--who are typically hired out of business school--to start off focusing on equities before any become dedicated high-yield specialists. That arrangement may work, but its success is by no means assured.
Don't tell that to Kennedy and Hudoff. They're energized by the challenge. Kennedy taught credit analysts in a prior life at Prudential Insurance, and he talks about working with Hotchkis' analysts with the words and passion of a natural educator. It also won't hurt that Hotchkis is well known for managing small-cap value stocks--a universe that is home to much high-yield bond issuance. Roughly 75% of the credits Kennedy and Hudoff held early in 2010 overlapped with stocks that Hotchkis analysts were already covering.